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Passion! freedom and sex! « Escaped Mentalpatient
May 21, 2007, 6:20 pm
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Passion! freedom and sex! « Escaped Mentalpatient

This post talks about ”religious twits” and the writer’s opinion is that those without religion are free. That instead of religious people having something that the writer doesn’t have, the writer has what religious people don’t have - freedom. The most interesting comment to this post is the first one – Basil has some interesting things to say, but he is as vehemently against atheism as much as the blog post’s writer is against religion.

I’m still trying to find out more about organised religion. I don’t have an issue with religion, because I know people, including family, who are religious, but still act without thinking they live just to please a God who, for some reason, needs/wants to be pleased; and that what we do in life doesn’t really matter when compared to our relationship with God. I’ll get back to this whole “relationship to God” thing in another post, because it’s a huge area. 

I don’t like the “alright, over to you now God” attitude that some of my religious friends have. I think one can be religious and also have freedom. Fundamentalists within a religion make me uneasy because I don’t understand how they can be so sure about some of the core questions that seem to plague most human beings. Sure faith is good if it teaches good values and graces people with a reason to live their lives; but it sucks when faith creates an attitude that others oustide the community are simply wrong. God is almighty, but we can only have a relationship with Him through one faith? Why can’t people be atheist and be loved by God, if God does indeed exist? Do people need religion to be good? Alright, I’m off on a tangent.

I always think if fundamentalists were living lives which were impacted by another religion (eg maybe they were born into another religious family, they had a different experience that made them turn to a different religion and so on) they would instead be fundamentalists in that religion.

I think the writer of the “Passion! freedom and sex!” post should probably note, that many religious people who love their God and accept His teachings understand that they recieve unconditional love from that God. So, anything they do which pleases God, is them not contradicting their love for God. People sin because that’s in human nature, but they’ll be forgiven because they understand that God loves them. Isn’t that a good thing to have? You feel that you are always loved and you love almighty God back, and if you make a mistake or give into what some may consider “human nature,” He’ll forgive you because He knows you love Him. So, in that sense, you get freedom up to the point of what you think is right and what is wrong (depending on your religion, and the “facts” about that religion that you been taught and so on). So in that case, you’d always be loved, and in your own eyes, you’ll also always be free. Wouldn’t that be great?

To use a quote I’ve already used: From Brave New World Revisited by Aldous Huxley (1958):

“The nature of psychological compulsion is such that those act under constraint remain under the impression that they are acting on their own initiative. The victim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him the walls of his prison are invisible, and he believes himself to be free. That he is not free is apparent only to other people. His servitude is strictly objective.”

I think you can be religious and be as free as you want to be; just as much as someone who is not religious. I mean, values without the belief in God can be as restricting as values because of a belief in God, can’t they?


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In your psychological quote (in italic) is it really a good idea to let people that are delusional enough to think they are free to choose inside a religion? i mean religion subjugates its followers to believe for beliefs sake? that is by no scale imaginable freedom? Its no matter how you put it not freedom to think or to speak or believe to be asked to take exstraordinary claims at face value, without evidence.

In fact the dumber and less critical they manage to portray themselves the better.

Comment by escapedmentalpatient

I think escapedmentalpatient should read what he or she says before publishing it…what are you on about or more importantly, what are you trying to say? ‘religion subjugates its followers to believe for beliefs sake???’ Excuse me but how can you or anyone make such an outlandish comment. I would not say that I am the most religious or pious person out there, but from my understanding of religion, religion imposes values if you are willing to accept these values..But even then that’s not the point. It’s bullshit to say that religion subjugates its followers to believe for beliefs’ sake. I take it that you are an athiest and having read your original article, I thought it was a crude assessment on those who are somewhat fundamental. I don’t agree with a lot of the shit that is being taught at various religious schools but your statements make it out as if you are the ignorant person, and not those who are fundamentalist. By the way, your article showed no wit (not for a lack of trying mind you) and before you attempt satire again, why don’t you try and understand different people before writing some shit up..

I do think though escapedmentalpatient and basil are part of the same group of people, classifed as ‘ignorant’ and well, just plain stupid.

Comment by sydspace

The opposing view may be that if everyone were given the freedom to live life according to their own moral beliefs and philosophies we’ll be living in a state of anarchy and moral decline. Perhaps this simply means people are too stupid to know what is best for the greater good unless they are given specific rules to follow.

Comment by Shannon

I guess i have to respond here to Sydspace. Ref: bad solutions article

Sydspace let me clarify, if i make you believe in something and then i make you believe that the harder you believe the better it is, then i have effectively shut your mind to any external influence.
You will automatically reject any notion question or comment in relation to your beliefs.

In fact all religions ask you to blindly follow whatever the holy book says without any proof at all, if this isn’t belief for beliefs sake i don’t know

I do not see how this is outlandish? and where does it say that religious values are moral? In fact what in any mainstream religion is moral? and where is the proof that these morals wouldn’t exist without superstition?

PS by the way i make no attempts to be witty i simply point out a few obvious facts, if you wish to contend any of these facts i am more than willing to entertain any comment or rebuke.

In fact prove me wrong! on any point and i will concede being wrong. But i do not believe you are able to do that.

Comment by escapedmentalpatient

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After reading the Sydspace post I just want to clarify that I do respect the view of atheists just in case it came off differently in my post. I have my views but then, I also feel that it’s all about finding meaning and my views are bound to change as the years go on and I experience and learn more things.

I’m really curious what experiences escapedmentalpatient went through to hate religion so categorically.

Comment by Arnie

What is freedom?

Comment by Saki

That was the point I was trying to make. When is there freedom without constraints? Freedom from what? Whatever your choosing – whether religious or not – I think you are choosing your constraints. The idea of freedom only exists when you have a belief of what is not free.

Comment by Arnie

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